Ripple-65B Preview: U.S. Open-Weight SOTA on Agentic Coding

(ricursive.com)

100 points | by Philpax 2 hours ago

12 comments

  • advael 1 hour ago
    Category narrowing to this degree really has diluted the term "SOTA" quite a lot

    You mean it's state of the art for this subset of benchmarks you're targeting? No? Well surely it's state of the art for models of a certain size category? Huh, what about models that are available for local inference? O, state of the art for open models of a certain size made in the US specifically. Uh. Neat!

    • frinxor 14 minutes ago
      The US bit got me as well.

      I guess it makes sense - there is a segmentation where users may want to run on domestic "frontier LLMs."

    • visarga 51 minutes ago
      No, the term is well defined. It means being on the Pareto curve of performance vs size, such as: https://tinyurl.com/26sw35fw
      • advael 16 minutes ago
        Irrelevant. A term can be well-defined and used correctly while also being diluted. In this case, I am pointing out that it's diluted by narrowing the category in which the claim is being made. I have no doubt that in this narrowed category, the term is being used correctly. This has no bearing on the fact that by narrowing the category in that way, this claim is made remarkably less impressive or interesting to many people hearing it, including myself
      • O_H_E 35 minutes ago
        well yes but the y axis heavily depends on the benchmark you choose
  • purplemantis 3 minutes ago
    These are pretty odd benchmarks to use. Terminal Bench 2.1 is old. SWE-bench was disavowed by OpenAI. DeepSWE is clearly benchmark-hacked by Gemini.
  • wmf 1 hour ago
    Congratulations I guess but it's a pretty bad look to not even mention those other open weight models.
    • karmakaze 59 minutes ago
      What's funnier is that after cherry picking models for comparison, they further cherry picked Inking for size comparison instead of better and smaller Beam 1.0

      The bar chart also shows Nemotron 3 Ultra instead of smaller and better Nemotron 3.5 Super.

    • stewartpark 8 minutes ago
      I think it's because the primary users of this model won't even look at "those other open weight models" as options. This is the right chart to present to those who would consider this model. (e.g. US Gov't agencies, chip design industry, etc etc)
    • tedivm 1 hour ago
      We've always been at war with eurasia.

      Seriously though, it's just easier to pretend that China doesn't exist when they're stomping us this badly.

    • petcat 19 minutes ago
      Do those other models usually mention all the competition? I haven't noticed
    • flatline 1 hour ago
      Right? These are not likely to be meaningful points of comparison to anyone but the authors.
      • wmf 1 hour ago
        Maybe Palantir will use it or something. There probably is a market for US models but I don't know how large it will be.
        • Onawa 52 minutes ago
          US Gov won't let Chinese models be hosted on any internal infra, not even supposed to use them for local AI. So there is absolutely a market for US-made or non-Chinese models there.
  • stewartpark 23 minutes ago
    It's great to see another competitive open weight model. Congratulations!

    But as is, it's probably hard to become popular amongst hobbyists and local model enthusiasts like Qwen's 27B class models or MOE models because it's a 65B dense model and inference will be prohibitively slow on consumer grade hardware, and seems like the goal/mission of the company behind this model is to automate chip design.

    So if I have to assume and connect the dots, this is for the companies who want to use AI in air-gapped environments for chip design so that they protect their IPs (not leaking to third party AI labs/hostile parties) and can afford lots of server grade inference hardware for a quick unlock with the big dense model.

    Neat!

  • 2001zhaozhao 1 hour ago
    This model scores 80.5 on Terminal Bench 2.1

    For reference Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (which is bigger than this model but probably cheaper to run due to MoE) scores 84.3, and Qwen 3.8-27B scores 73.0.

    I think this model could be competitive, depending on how much it was benchmaxxed compared to Qwen?

  • syntaxing 1 hour ago
    When a post doesn’t mention Qwen for comparison, you know the performance isn’t going to be great.
    • ethan-boneh 1 hour ago
      I mean Qwen 3.8 27B hits 73% on TB2.1 and 42.2% on DeepSWE....
  • dofm 1 hour ago
    So we have a Recursive and a Ricursive, both making LLMs?
    • wmf 1 hour ago
      Time to start Rickursive, the lab that will never give you up and never let you down.
      • 6thbit 37 minutes ago
        And it should acquire the existing two
        • neutronicus 23 minutes ago
          Roll them up, you might say.
      • throwaw12 47 minutes ago
        we need RichUrsive
    • giwook 1 hour ago
      There seems to be some recursion going on here.
    • xyzrt 1 hour ago
      One making self-improving AI via AI-chip co-design, the other relying only on software for self-improving AI.
      • dofm 1 hour ago
        I hope they never have to call each other about anything. It could get confusing if neither knows who is the base case.
  • jszymborski 1 hour ago
    Would love a 27B model. Wonder if we'll get a distillation.
  • soundworlds 33 minutes ago
    Not to be confused with https://recursive.com/
  • RGS1811 1 hour ago
    The comparison chart is befuddling.
  • 6thbit 42 minutes ago
    I'm sorry but what is "U.S." implying here?

    Is this sponsored by the us gov? did it only train on US data? does it only work on the US?

    • conception 41 minutes ago
      It's a US group that made it, in the same vein that OpenAI and Anthropic have US models.
    • petcat 38 minutes ago
      It means that it's an American AI lab behind it.
  • johnnyApplePRNG 26 minutes ago
    Only benchmarking against other garbage american models?

    LMFAO get out of my feed