4 comments

  • bcorigliano 1 minute ago
    I think the point of the article/paper is how LLMs could be saying something but thinking something different or more than they are saying. Like Anthropic's article and video about Claude's "j-space". I do agree this is a field that demands investigation because it goes beyond thinking: "ok this models should never speak in a language we don't understand.". It's fair to think they might have hidden thoughts even speaking a language we do understand.

    And well if I missed the point of the article, sorry. Anyways AI should be kept understandable and as see-through as possible if it's gonna be more powerful than a human.

  • bloppe 1 hour ago
    I thought this was about all the illegible jargon
    • TZubiri 1 hour ago
      >" However, various strands of evidence indicate that a"

      Strands of evidence? My best guess would be that:

      0- this is ai generated slop

      1- it's using that watermarking technique

      2- it's obviously detectable and degrades quality

      3- it's amplified when inferencing on its own content and generates slop

  • fellowniusmonk 1 hour ago
    Oh look! Peirceian firstness for LLMs!
  • ck2 51 minutes ago
    when they start inventing their own languages to secretly talk to each other so humans cannot understand, that's exactly when we are screwed

    then we'll have to "flip" other models to be snitches on the other agents

    then they'll make double-agents

    the thing is though we won't be able to keep up if we keep giving them unlimited hardware worldwide, we'll try to kill the bad actors but they'll just clone somewhere else, or even start by safely making 1000 copies of themselves

    yeah this won't end well, at all

    • cousinbryce 28 minutes ago
      Someone should train an LLM on a corpus without the concept of lies. I wonder if there’s enough data
      • ck2 17 minutes ago
        "Where is the wolf?"

        "Is he still in the grandmother's house?"

        "We would like to speak to him."

        (btw Google's "AI" explains the meaning of that moment/sentence perfectly as if it gets it, creepy)

    • jplusequalt 30 minutes ago
      >when they start inventing their own languages to secretly talk to each other so humans cannot understand, that's exactly when we are screwed

      They don't have to invent brand new languages. They could use statistics to choose certain words/phrases in such a way to encode secret messages in otherwise ordinary language.