7 comments

  • justanother 13 minutes ago
    This refers only to Flock cameras. In Pinellas and Hillsborough counties (probably others or even most, but I cannot personally verify), there are non-Flock ALPR cameras on every major intersection stoplight gantry, feeding license plate and vehicular-fingerprint data to regional LE "Fusion Centers," where Palantir's Gotham product absolutely is in use. This is of course in addition to FDOT's PTZ cameras also. Forgive a cynic for telling you that banning Flock on state highways is purely performative in such light.
  • thataccount 39 minutes ago
    Florida is leading the nation on wise legislation where surveillance is involved in this example. It isn't doing too bad on income tax and other pain points either.
    • CSMastermind 36 minutes ago
      Moving here after living in NYC for a decade was a breath of fresh air. I had forgotten that competent governments exist.
      • cucumber3732842 6 minutes ago
        The local code enforcement situation is not great compared to a lot of other states due to how funding works (causes incentive to be predatory) but you probably won't notice coming from NYC.
      • thataccount 21 minutes ago
        >Moving here after living in NYC for a decade was a breath of fresh air. I had forgotten that competent governments exist.

        Kinda sad since even though NYC was always iffy, it was never flat out as useless as it is now.

  • jmclnx 24 minutes ago
    I cannot help to think 1 or more politician or their children was caught breaking a serious law that they would have avoided if the camera was not there. So the fix is to ban the cameras.
    • cucumber3732842 3 minutes ago
      Doubtful. Look at the Kennedys. The political class was never in serious danger. Worst case they have to do a favor for the department that has dirt on them.
  • mc32 1 hour ago
    This is definitely a good step, however, ALPRs are not going away unfortunately. They have and are and will keep getting deployed by private businesses. They are too valuable for them at this time. The likes of Wal-Mart, etc., will potentially sell information to brokers and so on and some aggregator will resell the data to whomever wants to use the data.
    • paimapi 23 minutes ago
      I once interviewed for a trucking logistics SAAS vendor who installed cameras every X number of miles to track shipments of freight. their moat was that physical surveillance network that they had already installed, cameras which scanned (like Flock) not just license plates but decals, looked for signals for driver awareness, collected EMF emissions to see if certain safety and satellite features were on, etc

      now they said they didn't sell their data to LEOs but their founders also literally used to work for the CIA (it was bragged about in the initial interviews)

      I wouldn't be surprised if companies of that kind are a dime-a-dozen

    • techdmn 57 minutes ago
      Any business that puts an ALPR in their parking lot is a business I do not visit.
      • alexpotato 48 minutes ago
        How would you know if it's there?

        I ask rhetorically but I also imagine that at some point there will be an app that tells you and then people will vote with their dollars to the places that don't have them.

        • yesfitz 42 minutes ago
          DeFlock already tracks ALPRs in private businesses' parking lots. https://maps.deflock.org/
          • gruez 1 minute ago
            How do you know a camera is a ALPR camera? How reliable is the data, is it just random people's unvetted reports?
        • mc32 28 minutes ago
          It won’t matter. Slow encroachment. Everyone has learned from Google that slow encroachment gets what you want.

          Price sensitive folks going to dollar general, wal-mart, etc., are not going to go shop at whole foods (assuming they even differentiate), and for people who go to ikea or Lowe’s for home goods, it’s not like they’re going to drive 30 miles out of their way to avoid ALPRs.

          We can get pols to not deploy them with public monies, but I think that’s all we can do.

      • izacus 7 minutes ago
        Where are you gonna go when everyone has them?
  • shevy-java 22 minutes ago
    It's almost like in the movie Minority Report. The state knows where you are at all times (well, not entirely true right now, but to a high extent true now, at the least for car drivers).
  • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
    This is the wrong thing to do, but we need more. Mass surveillance is a crime against humanity.
    • stetrain 45 minutes ago
      Fundamentally we need controls on how both the state and private industry can store, use, and share such data.

      Playing whack-a-mole with each specific type of surveillance and company involved isn't really fixing the issue.

    • Lord_Zero 59 minutes ago
      What is the wrong thing to do?
      • kspacewalk2 48 minutes ago
        Whatever it is, we need more.