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  • BiraIgnacio 31 minutes ago
  • RicoElectrico 1 hour ago
    How about heat? Seems these days it's the heat above everything else that's the issue. And more density would only aggravate it.
    • mota7 5 minutes ago
      Heat is mostly driven by leakage current and gate capacitance.

      The big issue today is leakage currents. They typical account for around 30%-50% of total chip thermal budget, and they get increasingly difficult to control with smaller devices and lower voltages. They're also get worse with increased temperature(!).

      The stacked devices here aren't the worst for leakage currents, but they're not fantastic either. Look at the 2nd graph in section 5: You'll see that the current never drops to zero over the range of gate-source voltages (for V_DS=0.7V). The minimum point is the best-case leakage current, and you can see it's well above zero! (The units on the vertical axis of the graph are unknown btw: The label reads as "current drain-source, arbitrary units")

    • juancn 53 minutes ago
      That's always an issue, but the industry seems to be moving away from 2D circuits.

      Reducing trace length seems to be the way forward for faster/larger circuits. Signal propagation time on-die is becoming an issue.

      Things like Huawei's Logic folding, or TSVs, and so on, attack the issue by reducing signal travel time.

      This looks like another building block in that direction.

      There's also some push at cooling chips from both sides.

    • arein3 1 hour ago
      What you loose in heat you gain in speed caused by proximity. Perhaps this will allow for lower voltage and thus less heat.
    • ortusdux 1 hour ago
      I wonder if the proposed CPU/GPU laser cooling technique that was on here a few days ago would penetrate the Si layers?

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48510375

    • deepsun 34 minutes ago
      If heat is produced by conductors resistance then shorter paths would lead to less heat produced.
      • ben_w 23 minutes ago
        I'm not certain (never did hardware), but I thought the transistor switching cost was one of the bigger sources of energy loss, not internal conductor resistance between transistors?
        • deepsun 17 minutes ago
          Makes sense, I also doubt that they haven't minimized resistance to minimum already.
        • IshKebab 8 minutes ago
          You're correct. Dynamic power consumption depends heavily on frequency, but it's definitely more of a limiting factor than static power consumption which as I understand it (I'm also not an expert) is mainly important for things like low power microcontrollers.
  • armitron 1 hour ago
    This seems like it could accelerate the transition to sub-1nm nodes (previously projected to mid 2030s), maybe by the end of this decade.
  • its_ajseven 4 days ago
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