13 comments

  • hootz 52 minutes ago
    >Email from SingCERT stating vendor "do not consider this to be a vulnerability, as it does not present a cybersecurity risk."

    So wirelessly writing custom firmware to someone else's device that is connected via USB to their computer without even needing to pair is not a security vulnerability. Yea.

    • Uncle_Brumpus 46 minutes ago
      "You can just make it type words, what's the risk in that?"

      Makes you wonder what other peripheral companies out there are also operating with seemingly no security team. There must be other vulnerabilities like this just waiting to be discovered.

      My brother was awoken one morning at 2am because some neighborhood kids connected to his bluetooth speaker and blasted fart sounds on loop at max volume, and that's literally only the absolute tippy top of the malicious bluetooth use iceberg.

      • hootz 40 minutes ago
        Oh yeah, for some reason the companies with the highest risk products seem to be the ones that care less about security. Don't even get me started with "smart" bulbs and cameras that each individually connect to your local network and the Internet. You have 5 lightbulbs? That's 5 different devices you need to track, keep updated and trust the in the vendor firmware's security.
      • rcxdude 35 minutes ago
        Probably most of them. It's not exactly an area with a great focus on quality, let alone security.
    • riedel 26 minutes ago
      This quote on risk seems to completely misunderstand the concept of risk. First we have a vulnerability ( IMHO that is equals a hazard), then we assign both impact and probability and only then we get risk. By definition there are IMHO always vulnerabilities with low impact or low probability and thus low risk. While CVEs have some score, the actual risk and later accepting those risks before or after mitigations is up to the use case to define. No risk => no vulnerability is flawed reasoning by design. No vulnerability => no risk, I think is the only thing we can agree on.
    • xnickb 32 minutes ago
      Yeah, but we already sold the device, so it's someone else's problem. Now if they were paying us a subscription fee..
    • 3form 47 minutes ago
      AND being able to further reprogram the device to gain control of the PC.

      This is negligence of the highest kind.

    • KurSix 38 minutes ago
      The vendor response is the more worrying part
  • nickdothutton 13 minutes ago
    It is quite common to find device manufacturers, even those of many years standing, who _appear to_ begin with the device and add the software as an afterthought. Paying little attention to security or even the software lifecycle (patches, updates, the changing landscape/ecosystem). I have even known it happen that the device brand subs out the software to a random small developer, who then closes up shop/dies/gets out of that business, and the device company doesnt even have the source code, let alone any ability to further improve/fix the software that drives their device. This leads to layers upon layers of subsequent middleware, UIs, shims etc.
  • Klaus23 5 minutes ago
    Why think so small? Perhaps the speaker itself can be used as the attacker.

    Any script kiddie with an LLM could write a worm that would spread through the supply chain, perhaps even hacking speakers right on the factory floor and blasting Rickroll music or something similar.

    It would be interesting to see if Creative would still claim that it "does not present a cybersecurity risk".

  • KurSix 40 minutes ago
    The fact that the author had to publish a third-party patch because the vendor didn't consider it a vulnerability is not a great look
  • 217 1 hour ago
    Can't wait to see a video from a half sloppy channel about this on my youtube front page in roughly 4 business days
    • exitb 8 minutes ago
      Do you know that if you turn off saving YouTube history, you can have no front page at all?
    • tarcon 35 minutes ago
      I guess you can still be first to Linkedin and get all of the fame.
  • sciencejerk 19 minutes ago
    Great research. Thanks for sharing
  • vessenes 28 minutes ago
    Having a guaranteed audio channel makes this so much cooler for exploits -- you can exfiltrate over audio!! I love it. I wonder how many of these were sold. I also imagine based on Creative's response (this is fine) that many other devices in the class have similar security models in place. Def scary.
    • xx_ns 25 minutes ago
      That would've been a cool PoC to work on as well, but seems a fair bit more complicated than the BadUSB-style attack I ended up doing. Would've had to do a lot more RE to figure out how to interact with the whole microphone subsystem, I think.
      • vessenes 3 minutes ago
        I guess you could just construct a wav file from the shell and then play it. Agreed doing it all on device sounds challenging.
  • cbdevidal 9 minutes ago
    Air-gapped attacks are the most fascinating. Change my mind
  • SirFatty 28 minutes ago
    The real question remains: with this hack, did the OP gain full control of Dr. Sbaitso?
  • bradley13 57 minutes ago
    Good work, and fun to read.

    It's crazy that companies just stick their head in the sand, when confronted with serious security issues.

  • awedisee 35 minutes ago
    Way cool. Thank you for sharing
  • huflungdung 26 minutes ago
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  • brogapp 31 minutes ago
    Thanks for sharing this. It’s a bit concerning that a consumer soundbar can receive unauthenticated firmware over BLE and then act like a BadUSB-style HID on the host. I’m not sure I agree with the vendor’s "no cybersecurity risk" assessment, considering how much access a trusted keyboard interface typically has.