Robots Eat Cars

(telemetry.endeff.com)

43 points | by JMill 2 days ago

6 comments

  • SrslyJosh 2 hours ago
    > The Fremont factory lines that built those cars are converting to manufacture Optimus humanoid robots: one million units per year at $20,000 each, with public sales beginning in 2027.

    Sure, why not? Seems just as likely as Tesla having 1 million robotaxis on the road by the end of 2026. =)

    • actionfromafar 1 hour ago
      I heard it will be 100 billion robotaxis on the road by the end of 2026!
  • Terr_ 2 hours ago
    > Steer-by-wire

    Thinking back to case-studies around the Therac-25 [0], I would like to pre-emptively highlight the differences between:

    1. Technique X is unsafe.

    2. Technique X is unsafe because too much can go wrong even with the best intentions.

    3. Technique X is unsafe without strong QA and interlocking safety measures, and there's too much economic pressure for the manufacturer to cut corners.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

    • AnthonyMouse 33 minutes ago
      The obvious problem with steer-by-wire is that in the traditional design, it's not uncommon to lose power assist but not the mechanical connection to the wheels, so you can still steer the car. To completely lose steering control you'd need significant mechanical damage.

      If the whole thing goes through the computer then there are lots of new ways to fail. Steering wheel position sensor goes bad on the highway? Computer gets bad data. Control wires get disconnected or damaged? No data. Completely unrelated wires get shorted and fry the computer? No steering. Anything pops the wrong fuse? No power, no computer or steering motors.

      Some of those can be mitigated with redundancy but you're still vulnerable to common causes. You have three position sensors and someone dumps their beverage down the steering column, are there any left and do you have any good way to determine which one(s)? The vehicle took some minor damage allowing water to get somewhere it's not intended to, any way to guarantee you're not about to lose both sides of a redundant electrical system the next time it goes through a puddle infused with conductive road salt?

    • cyberax 2 hours ago
      Moreover, Technique X does not actually provide any significant value.

      The whole steer-by-wire in CT happened because Musk wanted a yoke as the control system. And a yoke requires progressive steering which is impractical without steer-by-wire.

      • rootusrootus 2 hours ago
        > does not actually provide any significant value

        If that were true, it would not explain why other manufacturers are headed the same direction. The CT is not the only steer-by-wire vehicle.

        • michaelt 1 hour ago
          Vehicles include low-utility features for market positioning all the time.

          Do buyers need a motorised hood ornament? A tiny vase built into the dashboard? A built-in champagne chiller? Gull wing doors? A spoiler and a 300-horsepower engine?

          If it boosts sales by giving the vehicle a distinctive character, though, there's a place in the market for that tiny vase.

          • nickff 37 minutes ago
            The motorized hood ornaments on Rolls Royce vehicles were a solution to the problem of people being injured by, or stealing the (Spirit of Ecstasy) ornaments.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_Ecstasy

            • soopypoos 13 minutes ago
              How does it being motorized prevent injury?
              • sarchertech 4 minutes ago
                > Today's Spirit of Ecstasy, from the 2003 Phantom model onward, stands at 3 inches (7.6 cm) and, for the safety of any person being accidentally hit, is mounted on a spring-loaded mechanism designed to retract instantly into the radiator shell if struck from any direction.
      • rconti 1 hour ago
        steer-by-wire makes safety nannies way easier, eg, the ones that jerk the wheel out of your hands when they decide you're too close to a line on the road.
      • wat10000 46 minutes ago
        Other models got the yoke but not the steer by wire.
  • abcde666777 2 hours ago
    One million robots to be manufactured in a year - one million robots which will likely be obsolete within five years (if that, I wouldn't be surprised if they're dead on arrival).

    I don't know the figures for Earth's resources and their sustainability, so this may be a naive take, but I'm always left with the impression that these organisations want to speedrun the depletion of the planet.

    • lmz 1 hour ago
      More customers for the related Space exploration company.
      • paulryanrogers 1 hour ago
        Assuming they don't starve to death before insert-space-company can get them to the next Goldilocks planet.
        • c0balt 38 minutes ago
          The next step is just selling tickets to that flight in advance as a preorder. One could call it roadster preorders because of the difficult road ahead
  • otikik 2 hours ago
    Cars that nobody buys replaced by robots that nobody buys
    • delichon 49 minutes ago
      The best selling car in the world in 2025 was the Tesla Model Y, with a little over 1 million sold. ~350k total vehicles have been sold in 2026 as of April.

      https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/, https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-first-quarter-2026-...

      • mikestew 0 minutes ago
        The Fremont plant doesn’t make Ys, only Xs and Ss. And no one is buying the latter two.
      • conception 23 minutes ago
        Actually i think it was the RAV 4 and BYD sold more EVs than Tesla.
        • dcrazy 2 minutes ago
          Tesla only selling 4 models makes for difficult comparisons with companies like Toyota that sell several cars in overlapping segments.
      • brcmthrowaway 10 minutes ago
        Unbelievable. Really shows how much of a bubble the internet is - Elon was the internets most hated man in 2025 yet Tesla sold like hotcakes
      • someothherguyy 32 minutes ago
        who tracks such things? how many companies sell cars worldwide?
    • rootusrootus 1 hour ago
      Who is this "nobody" that bought more than half a million Teslas last year?
      • MK_Dev 1 hour ago
        Who bought half a million Model S and Model X?
  • dangus 1 hour ago
    This article is written with a little bit of a journalist’s misunderstanding of a topic.

    They seem to have done research but have strung together unrelated subjects due to their lack of expertise in the subjects.

    As a result it reads more like a summary or recap of vaguely related stories.

    For example, Tesla’s pivot to robots has nothing to do with their advanced nature of their wiring harnesses, but it’s spoken in the same breath as if to imply that a Tesla Cybertruck (which is a Model Y with paneling literally glued on top) is more similar to a humanoid robot than a Mustang Mach-E.

    In reality, what has happened is that the Model S and X have been discontinued and they’re the only products the Fremont, CA plant produces. Tesla has literally nothing else they can make in that plant. They either make Optimus robots or shut the plant down.

    Optimus robot production is a face saving move. Tesla barely needs a fraction of that factory to build robots…it’s a much lower-volume and physically smaller product.

    I should note that none of that has anything to do with Tesla being great at robotics and seeing it as a better business than automobiles. It has everything to do with competitors catching up and Tesla having insufficient development capability to iterate on those vehicles.

    Who in the buyer demographic for a Model S wouldn’t take a Porsche Taycan, AUD A6 Sportback, or Lucid Air over that vehicle?

    Who in the buyer demographic for the Model X won’t take a Kia EV9, Lucid Gravity, or Volvo EX-90?

    Maybe if you aren’t paying attention to the car industry you’ll disagree with me but the problem here is the Model S and X are positively ancient with about zero dollars spent on keeping them updated and they’ve become completely irrelevant to the market as a result.

    • AnthonyMouse 10 minutes ago
      > Maybe if you aren’t paying attention to the car industry you’ll disagree with me but the problem here is the Model S and X are positively ancient with about zero dollars spent on keeping them updated and they’ve become completely irrelevant to the market as a result.

      In practice they essentially got replaced with the Model 3 and Y, which didn't exist when the models being discontinued first came out.

      It's because of the decline in battery prices. When the Model S came out, an electric car with that range had to be that price. Now it's overpriced for what it is so they'd either need to design one which is significantly more premium while still selling into an inherently lower volume market segment, or lower the price to reflect the current battery costs and then have it be too close to the Model 3.

      What they really need to do is continue to move down, i.e. release a subcompact with less range than the Model 3 but on the cheap.

      Or build a truck people actually want.

    • ericd 32 minutes ago
      > Who in the buyer demographic for a Model S wouldn’t take a Porsche Taycan, AUD A6 Sportback, or Lucid Air over that vehicle?

      I guess me, though I’d probably opt for the Y instead. I have a friend who drives a Taycan, one of the sportier variants with 4 wheel steering and blistering acceleration, and it’s nice, but it’s clear that they’re still crap at computers and interfaces, and I just really don’t want to go back to traditional car industry software interfaces and feature sets after our Tesla. I doubly don’t want to deal with a dealership ever again. Also, love their mobile service which comes to our garage and fixed a flat on two different occasions while I was working at home, super convenient. Roadside assistance was great when we got a flat in the middle of nowhere with no shops open anywhere nearby, they coordinated getting a tow truck out to us to tow it to a Costco like 40 miles away, gratis. Also, it’s just been a great car for us, extremely practical, great for long road trips, fun to drive, the autopilot works well and makes long drives much more pleasant, especially traffic. I don’t know why people confidently declare them to be bad cars - our experience hasn’t been flawless, but as a total package, it’s been the best car ownership experience I’ve had, including Acura, Toyota, Subaru, BMW, Nissans. I guess some combination of not liking Elon, and the issues from the scale-up period when they were making model 3s in tents, though those are long gone.

    • someothherguyy 30 minutes ago
      > Tesla Cybertruck (which is a Model Y with paneling literally glued on top)

      Doesn't seem true?